First THE FACTS
ADNAN
Walid's response
WALID
Dear Mr. Till:
Before we begin lets get some historical facts strait, I have some questions
for Mr. Till and would like his response, I will post the rest tonight or
tomorrow as a refutation to Mr. Till's latest arguments. Anything with a "?"
needs an answer from Mr. Till.
First let me state the facts.
The facts:
Nebuchadnezzar took the mainland city and passed by the island city as he
laid the mainland city waste three years after the prophecy. According to the
Encyclopaedia Britannica: "After 13 year siege(585-573 B.C) Nebuchadnezzar
II, Tyre made terms and aknowledged Babylonian suzerainty.
When he broke the gates down, he found the city almost empty. The majority of
the people have moved by ship to an island about 1/2 a mile off the coasts
and fortified a city there. The mainland city was destroyed in 573, but the
city of Tyre remained a powerfull city for several hundred years.
Mr. Till: Did The Bible promise that Nebuchadnezzar will destroy Tyre ?
Mr. Till: Did Nebuchadnezzar destroy mainland Tyre ?
Mr. Till: If San Francisco was struck by an earthquake and was destroyed, and
the people moved to Alcatraz, can we say that San Francisco was destroyed?
The facts:
Alexander possesing no fleat, he demolished old Tyre, on the mainland, and
with the debris built a mole 200 feet across the straits seperating the old
and new towns, erecting towers and war engines at the further end.
The old city of Tyre did supply stones and dirt to build the causeway(Loeb
Classical Library:Quintius Curtius IV, 2. 18-19).
Mr. Till: Did the Bible promise the destruction of Tyre?
Mr. Till: Did Alexander The Great lay siege to the city of Tyre and destroy
it?
Mr. Till: Did Alexander scrape the stones and debris from mainland Tyre ?
Tyre was one city devided between the mainland from the Alcatraz-like Island
fortress and the causeway which still remains as Philip Myers who was a
secular historian and not a theologian stated: "uniting the rock with the
mainland.".
Mr. Till: Do you think that Alcatraz is part of Sanfrancisco?
Mr. Till: Is Alcatraz alone San Francisco?
Mr. Till: Is Downtown San Francisco alone considered San Francisco?
Mr. Till: If a tourist writes home and says: "I visited San Francisco, but
did not see Alcatraz", would it be wrong to say that he was in San Francisco?
Now, lets continue
When the city at last was taken after a 7 month siege 8000 of the inhabitants
were slained and 30,000 sold into slavery.
Mr. Myers also wrote: "Allexander the great reduced the city to ruins(332
B.C). She recovered in a measure from this blow but never regained the place
she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once
great city is now bare as a top of a rock, a place where the fisherman that
still frequent the spot spread there nets to dry.".
Mr. Till: Did The Bible promise that it will be a place for the spreading of
fish nets ?
Mr. Till: Do Fishermen today spread fish nets on the empty, bare, and rocky
land ?
John C. Beck also wrote: "The history of Tyre does not stop after the
conquest of Alexader. Men continue to rebuild her and armies continue to
besiege her walls untill finally, after 1600 years, she falls NEVER to be
rebuilt again.".
Joseph Michaud writes concerning The Muslims destroying Tyre: "There houses,
their temples, the monuments of there piety, their valour and their industry,
everything was condemned to perish with them by the sword or by fire.".
LeStrange quotes Abu'lfiela (1321 A.D): "The city was reqonquered by the
Moslems in 690 (1291), ...and then was laid in ruins, as it remains down to
the present day".
Mr. Till: Did The Bible promise that "Many nations will invade Tyre" ?
Mr. Till: Did many nations invade Tyre?
Today Tyre is a place of fishing. Nina Jidejian writes: "The Sidonian port of
Tyre is still in use today. Small fishing vessels lay at anchor there. An
examination of the foundations reveals granite columns of the Roman period
which were incorporated as binders in the walls bythe Crusaders. The port has
become a haven today for fishing boats and a place for spreading nets. The
existance of a small fishing village [There is a city of Tyre today, but it
is not the original city, but it is built down the coast from the original
site of Tyre.] upon the site of the ancient city of Tyre does not mean that
the prophecy is not fulfilled but is the final confirmation that the prophecy
was fulfilled. Tyre, the mistress of the seas, the trade and commercial
center of the world for centuries, past away NEVER to rise(re-build) again.
The fishermen drying thier nets upon the rocks that once formed the
foundation of that ancient metropolis are the last link in the chain of
prophecy that Ezekiel gave over 25 hundred years ago.".
She concludes: "Tyres stones may be found as far away as Acre and Beirut. Yet
evidences of a great past are abundant and recent excavations have revealed
successive levels of this proud Pheonician seaport...The great ancient city
of Tyre lay burried under accumilated debris. The ruins of an aqueduct and a
few scattered columns and the ruins of a christian basilica were the only
remains found above ground....looking down into the water one can see a mass
of granite columns and stone blocks strewn over the sea bottom. Until
recently the ruins of Tyre above water were few.".
Old Tyre today stands as it has for twenty five centuries, a bare rock,
uninhabited by man. Although it is still an excellent site for a city and
would have free water enough for a large modern city, yet it has never been
rebuilt even though it has fresh springs producing 10 million gallons of
fresh water daily.
The city was never found again, yet objections concerning a village occupying
the site of ancient Tyre can be easily answered as The Bible stated clearly
that it would be a place for the spreading of nets. It is logical to have
people on the site to spread the nets as to fulfill this promise made by God.
Tyre was destroyed in 1291 and then it died forever and never was rebuilt.
Hans-Wolf Rackl, in Archeology underwater notes: "Today hardly a single stone
of the old Tyre is intact.".
Mr. Till: Has Tyre been rebuilt on it's site with it's original splendor ?
Thank you Mr. Till
I will ret my case, for now
Walid