Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship

Ian Dorion (dorioni@intellinet.com)
Fri, 02 May 1997 12:17:09 -0600

John Hamilton wrote:
>
> I did, I was away from my computer yesterday (Thursday), and did not see this until today (Friday).
>
> ATTENTION ALL ON BOTH LISTS-
> Jerry DID NOT censor my sig file, and has defended my right to post it.
>
> (caps meant for emphasis only)
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
> donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
>
> |,,|/
>
> <X><
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael P. Hughes [SMTP:michael@mail.advertisnet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 4:25 PM
> To: errancy@infidels.org
> Subject: Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
>
> > (Ian 5/1) Jerry which of the poems, symbols, ect. do you object to?
> >
> > jerry d. mcdonald wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
> > > > To: "'errancy'" <errancy@infidels.org>
> > > > Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
> > > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:30 -0700
> > >
> > > > Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file, and my reply.
> > > > Once people start censoring objectionable speech the next step is always objectionable ideas.
> > > >
> > > > John Hamilton
> > > > Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
> > > >
> > > > The other day upon the stair,
> > > > I met a man that wasn't there.
> > > > He wasn't there again today,
> > > > I wish I wish he'd go away.
> > > >
> > > > "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
> > > > donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
> > > > (I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible verse)
> > > >
> > > > |,,|/
> > > >
> > > > <X><
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
> > > > To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David
Adkins; Eric
> > B. Hedden; Farre
> > > > n; John F. Gaines; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T. McWhorter; Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro;
> > Richard Fentiman; Sandr
> > > > Subject: RE: John Hamilton's remarks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Hamilton
> > > > Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
> > > >
> > > > The other day upon the stair,
> > > > I met a man that wasn't there.
> > > > He wasn't there again today,
> > > > I wish I wish he'd go away.
> > > >
> > > > What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1) thing
> > crude about that poe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
> > > > donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
> > > >
> > > > Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote, are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible
discussion
> > list?
> > > >
> > > > |,,|/
> > > >
> > > > This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
> > > >
> > > > <X><
> > > >
> > > > This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for
an
> > atheist to express h
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
> > > > To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B. Hedden;
> > Farrell Till; Fred D. W
> > > > John Hamilton; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T. McWhorter; Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro;
> > Richard Fentiman; Sandra C
> > > > Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's remarks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> > > > > From: L. Davis
> > > > > To: jerry@cwent.com
> > > > > Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't believe
> > > > they
> > > > > have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you please
> > > > refrain?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > McDonald 5/1
> > > Now why don't you tell them about my response to their
> > > objections to your signature, John? If you don't I surely will.
> > > Jerry D. McDonald
> > > http://www.cwent.com/~jerry/index.html
> >
>
> Ian...you need the whole story. John you need to be honest enough to
> explain that the moderator defended your right to post your signature
> and that you *were not* censored at all concerning it. One person
> complained about it and was told within the list that there was no
> point to complain as you had the right to post the sig.
> Michael P. Hughes
> http://www.odd.net/ozarks/churches/cchrist/camdenton/index.htm

(Ian 5/2) Okay, now I have the whole story - I think. Frankly, I think I
could like Jerry as I like Dave but there ideas and their way of or
capacity to think makes me wonder about them.