What species is a fetus? (was Ian's treatment of Claire

Ian & Pam Dorion dorioni@ipa.net
Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:26:06 -0600 (00891368766, 199803311228.GAA19711@thunder.ipa.net) 


> JANET

> Ron, I had given up arguing with you, because you didn't answer my 

> questions (can you say evasion?). However, this is just silly. Do you

really 

> believe that people are atheists because if they believed in God, he

would 

> "force them to restrain their libidos"? How many atheists do you know?

Are 

> they all immoral, depraved libertines? (Yes, I know you said "most," but

that's 

> not true either.) For Pete's sake, don't just repeat Christian

apologetics. 

> Just as an example, I have been married for over 22 years to the same

man, 

> and have never been unfaithful. Do I need to believe in God to restrain

my

> libido? I have heard Farrell allude to being married to the same woman 

> for over 40 years (I'm not sure of the exact number), and I'm sure that 

> there are many more on this list, and in my community, and in your own.

> 

> If I may make such a sweeping assertion as you just did, let me say 

> that the reason you don't want to accept that atheists are moral human 

> beings is that it contradicts your fond belief that morality is divinely

revealed. 

> Please, Ron, start thinking about what you say.

> 

> RON

>   OK, I'm properly chastened! But just out of curiosity how many of you 

> follow exactly the RCC's sexual requirements, i.e. no sex outside of 

> marriage, no birth control, no second marriages, no masturbation, no 

> homosexual acts, no abortions, no adultery, no pornography, etc.? I 

> still contend it is a major influence, but won't quantify it.

> 

IAN
How many RCs follow exactly the RCC's sexual requirements? If it is not
good enough for the RCs why should it be good enough for the rest of us?
What makes you think the RCC is correct in their sexual requirements? I for
one think they are wrong in all, depending on the circumstances. Not that I
myself would do all. I also feel that the RCC's stand on birth control is
the biggest wrong they commit.