[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:04:54 -0600 (00888833094, 34FA2FE6.FF58663@ksinc.net)
Ian & Pam Dorion wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Ward Fenley <kingdom@ksinc.net>
> > To: Linda <inknews@acsnet.com>
> > Cc: preterist@acsnet.com; errancy@infidels.org
> > Subject: Re: [Seekers] Punishment
> > Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 1:22 PM
> >
> > Linda wrote:
> > >
> > > My Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > Why does it seem that in the "church world" everything must be
> > > "absolute"... black and white... right and wrong. We all know in the
> REAL
> > > world there is good and bad in everyone. There is some truth in many
> things
> > > and some falsehood in all things.
> >
> >
> > Ok, without the Bible, prove to me that anyone's definition of "right"
> > and "wrong" is absolute.
> >
> > Linda, if I walk over and kill Chuck in cold blood, try to prove to me
> > without the Bible that it's wrong. You can't, cause without the Bible
> > you have no absolutes.
> >
> > Linda, for so long you have believed in preterism, but you cannot tell
> > me its the truth with your view. At least be consistent. Don't pull a
> > Davey and pick and choose what you believe is the word of God.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Many would assert that the Bible is ABSOLUTE truth yet its very own
> pages
> > > nullify that assertion. They illustrate damnation and salvation but
> the
> > > stories portray the guilty as being delivered (David and Uriah) and the
> > > innocent and best... punished and persecuted (Christ).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, without the Bible, who are you to tell me its wrong to steal?
> > Because society says so?????? Absurd. Some societies teach it is very
> > proper to eat your babies. So then now it's a cultural ISSUE????? Right!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > But does God punish a person twice? Once in this world... and again in
> a
> > > burning hell forever? Where does the Bible teach this?
> >
> >
> > That is why I utterly deny that Christ died for everyone. That is
> > injustice, for it would mean He was punished and yet unbelievers would
> > still be punished. Universal atonement is an abomination. Even the
> > self-proclaimed "Jews" on this list don't believe that OT sacrifices
> > were for the dog Gentiles. They were limited to the Old Covenant people
> > of God.
> >
> > Morality, Linda, Morality! I have not met a skeptic who can answer the
> > issue of determining ANY absolute morality. Why? figure it out, and when
> > you can come up with the answer, you let me know, and please don't give
> > the "God told me so through special revelation" argument. You know that
> > won't wash.
> >
> IAN
> Why do you have to kill Chuck? Why not kill anybody? Do you think the
> muslims read the Bible to prove something is right or wrong? How about
> Hindus, Buddhists, Others? Just check your state laws as soon as you get
> your head out from between your cheeks.
>
> Do you really think Christians are the only moral people on the planet?
> >From what I've seen, they are the least moral.
Dude, why dont you study the argument a little more, then you might be
more equipped to know what we are talking about. Thanks.
In heaven,
Ward
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Ward Fenley
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Psalms 145:11-13 They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk
of thy power; {12} To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and
the glorious majesty of his kingdom. {13} Thy kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.