[Seekers] Punishment (Ward)
Ian & Pam Dorion dorioni@ipa.net
Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:14:47 -0600 (00888833687, 199803020416.WAA16317@siren.ipa.net)
> > > Linda wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Why does it seem that in the "church world" everything must be
> > > > "absolute"... black and white... right and wrong. We all know in
the REAL
> > > > world there is good and bad in everyone. There is some truth in
many things
> > > > and some falsehood in all things.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, without the Bible, prove to me that anyone's definition of
"right"
> > > and "wrong" is absolute.
> > >
> > > Linda, if I walk over and kill Chuck in cold blood, try to prove to
me
> > > without the Bible that it's wrong. You can't, cause without the Bible
> > > you have no absolutes.
> > >
> > > Linda, for so long you have believed in preterism, but you cannot
tell
> > > me its the truth with your view. At least be consistent. Don't pull a
> > > Davey and pick and choose what you believe is the word of God.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Many would assert that the Bible is ABSOLUTE truth yet its very own
pages
> > > > nullify that assertion. They illustrate damnation and salvation
but the
> > > > stories portray the guilty as being delivered (David and Uriah) and
the
> > > > innocent and best... punished and persecuted (Christ).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Again, without the Bible, who are you to tell me its wrong to steal?
> > > Because society says so?????? Absurd. Some societies teach it is very
> > > proper to eat your babies. So then now it's a cultural ISSUE?????
Right!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > But does God punish a person twice? Once in this world... and
again in a
> > > > burning hell forever? Where does the Bible teach this?
> > >
> > >
> > > That is why I utterly deny that Christ died for everyone. That is
> > > injustice, for it would mean He was punished and yet unbelievers
would
> > > still be punished. Universal atonement is an abomination. Even the
> > > self-proclaimed "Jews" on this list don't believe that OT sacrifices
> > > were for the dog Gentiles. They were limited to the Old Covenant
people
> > > of God.
> > >
> > > Morality, Linda, Morality! I have not met a skeptic who can answer
the
> > > issue of determining ANY absolute morality. Why? figure it out, and
when
> > > you can come up with the answer, you let me know, and please don't
give
> > > the "God told me so through special revelation" argument. You know
that
> > > won't wash.
> > >
> > IAN
> > Why do you have to kill Chuck? Why not kill anybody? Do you think the
> > muslims read the Bible to prove something is right or wrong? How about
> > Hindus, Buddhists, Others? Just check your state laws as soon as you
get
> > your head out from between your cheeks.
> >
> > Do you really think Christians are the only moral people on the planet?
> > >From what I've seen, they are the least moral.
>
WARD (who doesn't know how to post)
> Dude, why dont you study the argument a little more, then you might be
> more equipped to know what we are talking about. Thanks.
>
IAN
OK Ward, do you believe in the Ten Commandments?
Do you also believe in the penalties for breaking these commandments?