Kent Hovind
Michael W. Fisher mwfisher@cts.com
Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:50:35 -0700 (00907242635, 000e01bded07$cac1e2a0$9d495ecc@mwfisher.cts.com)
>From the Name It and Frame It site at
http://training.loyola.edu/cdld/nifi.html , in chapter 12 :
PATRIOT UNIVERSITY
6915 Palmer Park Boulevard
Colorado Springs, Colorado 80915
(719) 597-7512
Claiming to be a ministry of Hilltop Baptist Church, the college charges between $15 and $32 per credit and offers
degrees through the doctoral level. Their catalog contains no information on the school's faculty or their credentials. Patriot
claims accreditation by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions (see Chapter 3), an accrediting mill
associated with Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount, North Carolina. Advertises or has advertised in Pulpit Helps.
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And from Chap. 4, about the AAATI :
Accreditation mills have only one purpose: to communicate an air of credibility to degree mills. Witness, for example, the claims of
the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, Inc., of Rocky Mount, North Carolina, which charges degree mills
only a $100.00 application fee and a $75.00 annual renewal fee to gain their "accreditation." The president of A.A.A.T.I. is Cecil
Johnson ("D.D., D.R.E., Lit.D., Th.D., Ph.D."), who is also the president of Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount (a degree mill
listed in Chapter 12). Johnson proclaims in his association's marketing letter:
After your school is accredited by A.A.A.T.I. for anyone who wishes to check on your status please have them call
[our number] daily between 10 & 12 noon. We prefer to talk with individual [sic] personally rather than write to them. Please do not
give our address to any individual, only other schools who are interested in being accredited. Accreditation is between the school
and the association...The basic information we give out is that your school is in good standing with A.A.A.T.I. We do not recommend
any school, only lend credibility to those accredited by A.A.A.T.I.
Think about the ramifications in Johnson's pitch. They will "lend credibility" to any school that pays their $100.00
application fee, but they will only do so by phone - they won't put it in writing. They don't want their address (which is the same
address as Johnson's degree mill) given out to anyone *except* other degree mills seeking their alleged accreditation. In plain
words, A.A.A.T.I. is a pure scam. Yet the average person who is unfamiliar with what legitimate accreditation is about seeking a
non-traditional program and calls A.A.A.T.I. for a reference on a school he or she is considering will never know the difference.
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Hope all this helps!!
Ciao!
Michael Fisher, aka Elfish Chimera, San Diego, California
"If you work at that which is before you, following right reason seriously, vigorously, without allowing anything else to distract
you, but keeping your divine part pure, as if you were bound to give it back immediately; if you hold to this, expecting nothing,
but satisfied to live now according to nature, speaking heroic truth in every word which you utter, you will live happy. And there
is no man able to prevent this."
--Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and Stoic, from his MEDITATIONS, III, 12.---
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From: owner-errancy@infidels.org [mailto:owner-errancy@infidels.org] On Behalf Of Farrell Till
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:28 PM
To: errancy@infidels.org
Subject: Kent Hovind
TILL
I have been asked to debate the "creation scientist" Kent Hovind via
telephone hook-up over station WJBC-AM in Bloomington, Illinois, on October
2nd at 10:00 A.M. This station is located at 1230 on the A. M. dial. I
have been looking for a posting I saved of a web site that exposes the phony
degrees of some creation "scientists," but I can't locate it. I recall
finding Kent Hovind on this list when I went through it a few weeks ago.
Does anyone know what this site is? I'd like to review it before the radio
program Friday.
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net