(Ron) Natural Man

Bryce Anderson bryce_anderson@yahoo.com
Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (00906891479, 19980927051759.9666.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com) 





---Brian Dean <bridean@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> > RON

> >   I don't agree that scientists have "a universal standard of proof

> > which allows these differences to be resolved in favour of

demonstrable

> > truth." The only method they have is observation. Observation is

> > subjective and limited by the capacity of the observer. For

example this

> > method relies on physical human senses and is limited thereby to

> > physical things. Since it cannot encompass spiritual realities it

> > dismisses them out of hand. Besides this the scientist must first

arrive

> > at a theory reflective of his own prejudices and based on his own

> > subjective observation. As Jastrow demonstrated, they tend to resist

> > conclusions which contradict their pet theories.

> >   As for theology, the standard established by Christ is His Church

> > guided by His appointed magisterium and the pope.


BRYCE
     Throughout the history of scientific inquiry, scientists have
often been forced by evidence to arrive at conclusions that did NOT
reflect their "prejudices" and "pet theories."  They've been required
to admit that there was no evidence for claims, when substantiating
those claims would have made their careers.  In short, their methods
cannot be totally subjective, since their conclusions have to be
tested against reality.  You're trying to blast the scientific method
as merely subjective and incomplete. Unfortunately, your only attempt
at real argument has been that, since science is based in the physical
realm, it cannot interact with a "spiritual dimension" which you have
provided no evidence for.  

     Oh, and Ron?  Sorry to break it to you, but the Pope is just an
old guy in a silly hat.  I can continue trading unsubstantiated
assertions with you all week, since you seem to enjoy it so much.

==
Bryce Anderson
http://members.tripod.com/~Idafab/index.html

El Niņo made me do it.

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