God and babies/children

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>>>G.R.Gaud

>>>Matt, it seems to me that you're also begging the question.

>> 

>>Matthew Bell

>>The only part of my above statement which begs the question is 

>>that which follows the words, 'As a further point.....' Why don't

>>you deal with that which proceeds such, or is it to be understood

>>that in stating that I am ALSO begging the question that you are

>>concurring that D.Flandry was indeed begging the question?

> 

>G.R.Gaud

>No, I should have simply stated that you were begging the 

>question, and the question you were begging was: "how

>do you know that 'babie [sic] /children' are hell-deserving?"


Matthew Bell
So what you are now saying is that when D.Flandry stated:

'Tell us Sims, what sin have unborn babies in hell committed?',

he was not begging the question that there are (according to Christian
theology) 'unborn babies in hell'? Please provide the post where he
presented the proof of that which I charge as a unproven assumption, i.e.
that there are unborn babies in hell?  If you can't then how is he not
begging the question? 

As to your latter question I don't *know* that 'babies/children' are hell
deserving, I derive such from my belief in the Christian faith and the
doctrine of original sin. 
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>> Matthew Bell

>> My statement was careless. It should have read as follows:

>> 

>>Who said unborn babies are in hell? Such is nothing more than

>>what you accusse Sims of, i.e. begging the question. Please

>>provide proof for that which you assume? As a further point,

>>according to Christian theology, of which you are obviously

>>ignorant, babies/children are hell-deserving not through a specific

>>committed sin, but through what they are by nature i.e. sinful

>>beings.Again, groups which deny original sin are not excluded

>>in my statement.

> 

> RevGaud

> 1) I knew about the Xian doctrine of original sin probably before you

> were born. 2) I knew that it didn't involve "specific committed sin"

> on the part of 'babies/children'. The Bible says that God cannot abide

> with sin and children have a sinful nature. Further, without

> purification of this sinful nature, one cannot enter the kingdom of

> heaven. If one cannot enter the KoH, then there's only one other place

> to go, hell, unless there's a teaching in the Bible, of which I'm not

> aware, which states that children dying before they can personally

> sin, are purified of their sinful nature. Now unless you can show me

> this doctrine, logically I have to assume they end up in hell.


Matthew Bell
How do you know that the purification of their sinful nature is not covered
by the atonement of Christ? 

<snip for brevity>

Thanks
M.Bell

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