REPOST: Matt and Randy will defend which atrocities?
errancy@infidels.org errancy@infidels.org
Mon, 31 May 1999 20:34:33 EDT (00928215273, a1bf8106.24848499@aol.com)
In a message dated 5/27/99 11:35:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
absolute@relative.net writes:
> JASON
>
> I'm still wondering which atrocities Matt and/or Randy are willing to
> defend.
>
>
>
> > JASON
> >
> > (NOTE: I was going to intersperse comments from Matt and Randy with
> > these, but I'll refrain. Please follow the links.)
> >
> > Matt and Randy,
> > Which atrocities are you willing to defend?
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/documents/g61.html
> >
> > Ezekiel 9:3-7
> > "Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub on which
> > it rested to the threshold of the house. The Lord called to the man
> > clothed in linen, who had the writing case at his side; and said to him,
> > "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads
> > of those who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed
> > in it." To the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city
> > after him, and kill; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no
> > pity. Cut down old men, young men and young women, little children and
> > women, but touch no one who has the mark. And begin at my sanctuary."
> > So they began with the elders who were in front of the house. Then he
> > said to them, "Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain.
> > Go!" So they went out and killed in the city."
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/documents/libau7.html
> >
> > Deuteronomy 32:19-25
> > "I will heap disasters upon them, spend my arrows against them: wasting
> > hunger, burning consumption, bitter pestilence. The teeth of beasts I
> > will send against them, with venom of things crawling in the dust. In
> > the street the sword shall bereave, and in the chambers terror, for
> > young man and woman alike, nursing child and old gray head."
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/trill.html
> > The testimony of Viktor Trill, Sonderkommando 4a, on the killing of
> > women and children--
> > "I can still dimly recall our detachment executing fifteen to twenty
> > Jews, including women and four or five children aged between six and
> > nine months, on the march from Kiev to Poltava....I can no longer
> > describe the execution area today. I think that I also had to do some of
> > the shooting, but I know for sure that I did not have to shoot any
> > children. I still remember today one of the men saying that the children
> > hung on to life like adults. He must have shot children."
> >
> > Hosea 13:16 (NRSV)
> > "Samaria shall bear her guilt,
> > because she has rebelled against her God;
> > they shall fall by the sword,
> > their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
> > and their pregnant women ripped open."
> >
> > 1 Samuel 15:2,3
> > "Thus says the Lord of hosts, "I will punish the Amalekites for what
> > they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now
> > go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not
> > spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant...."
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/17877.html
> > Testimony of SS-Oberstrumfuhrer August Hafner on the killing of
> > children--
> > "...Then Blobel ordered me to have the children executed. I asked him,
> > "By whom should the shooting be carried out?" He answered, "By the
> > Waffen-SS." I raised an objection and said, "They are all young men. How
> > are we going to answer them if we make them shoot small children?" To
> > this he said, "Then use your men." I then said, "How can they do that?
> > They have small children as we" This tug-of-war lasted about ten
> > minutes....I suggested that the Ukrainian militia of the Feldkommandant
> > should shoot the children. There were no objections fromeither side to
> > the suggestion....
> >
> > I went to the woods alone. The Wehrmacht had already dug a grave. The
> > children were brought along in a tractor. I had nothing to do with the
> > technical procedure. The Ukrainians were standing around trembling. The
> > children were taken down from the tractor. They were lined up along the
> > top of the grave and shot so that they fell into it. The Ukrainians did
> > not aim at any particular part of the body. They fell into the grave.
> > The wailing was indescribable. I shall never forget the scene throughout
> > my life. I find it very hard to bear. I particularly remember a small
> > fair-haired girl who took me by the hand. She too was shot later....The
> > grave was near some woods. It was not near the rifle range. The
> > execution must have taken place in the afternoon at about 3:30 - 4:00.
> > It took place the day after the discussions at the
> > Feldkommandanten....Many children were hit four or five times before
> > they died."
> >
> > Hosea 9:11-16 (NRSV)
> > "Ephraim is stricken,
> > their root is dried up,
> > they shall bear no fruit.
> > Even though they give birth,
> > I will kill the cherished offspring of their womb."
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/jozefow.html
> > Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Jozefow Massacre: The testimony of
> > a
> > thirty-five-year-old metalworker from Bremerhaven--
> > "I made the effort, and it was possible for me, to shoot only children.
> > It so happened that the mothers led the children by the hand. My
> > neighbor then shot the mother and I shot the child that belonged to her,
> > because I reasoned with myself that after all without its mother the
> > child could not live any longer. It was supposed to be, so to speak,
> > soothing to my conscience to release children unable to live without
> > their mothers."
> >
> > Psalms 137:7-9
> > "O daughter Babylon, you devastator!
> > Happy shall they be who pay you back
> > what you have done to us!
> > Happy shall they be who take your little ones
> > and dash them against the rock!"
> >
> > http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/ohlendorf.html
> > THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the
> > Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the
> > commissars, is that correct?
> >
> > OHLENDORF: Yes.
> >
> > THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider
> > the children? For what reason were the children massacred?
> >
> > OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally
> > exterminated.
> >
> > THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?
> >
> > OHLENDORF: Yes.
> >
> > THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?
> >
> > OHLENDORF: Yes.
> >
> > Isaiah 13:11-18
> > "Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will
> > fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their
> > eyes; their houses will be plundered, and their wives ravished. See, I
> > am stirring up the Medes against them, who have no regard for silver and
> > do not delight in gold. Their bows will slaughter the young men; they
> > will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity
> > children."
> >
> > =======================
> >
> > regards,
> > jason
>
RANDY
Without going item by item I'll say that an individual acting under direct
orders from
God is justified in his actions. An individual not acting under such orders
is not
justified in his actions. This is the same arguments I'm making in the "Does
God
Kill Babies?" and the "A Question for Bronson" threads.
Randy Bronson