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At 03:01 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote:

>>TILL

>>I don't conduct private correspondence, so I am posting this on an internet

>>list.

>>

>>Your experience proves nothing.  There are people whose lives have been

>>dramatically changed by adopting belief in Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism,

>>Scientology, New Age-ism, etc., etc., etc.

>

>Jason:

>

>What do you mean "it proves nothing"? If God, that is Jesus Christ, is a

>personal God and He acts on a personal level, as well as public then yes it

>does. It might not prove it to *you* specifically because it's not your

>experience, but it does prove that God (if existing...) does work in

>individual lives.

>

>Till

>

>>You suggest that you were

>>homeless for 12 years, so I would suspect that your conversion resulted

>from

>>experiences that you had at homeless shelters maintained by Christian

>>organizations.  Your conversion very likely resulted from an emotional

>>feeling of gratitude, but had you had experiences with shelters maintained

>>by Islamic organizations, you would now be praising Allah for saving your

>>life and keeping you out of prison.

>

>Jason:

>

>How do you connect the two? Are you saying that shelter organizations that

>are run by Muslims are run exactly like those Christian organizations? What

>makes you think that the experiences at those organizations would be

>identical to the ones in the Christian organizations?

>

>Glenn:

>Wow Jason, you are incredibly dense!  I can see why your stuck in the mire

>of Christianity.  You can't seem to comprehend the simple points that Till

>has so clearly made to you.  <shaking my head in disbelief>  You are

>possibly the most asinine character I've ever come into contact with in

>cyberspace...  Oh wait, there was a guy, Michael Fitzpatrick, who was on

>this list that could possibly qualify for "most pathetic."  No, I think you

>win!   Of course I'm not on any Christian lists in which case things might

>be different.


DAVID K
Farrell's point is rather obvious, I believe: Personal experience proves
nothing, as different individuals have different contradictory experiences
regarding god or gods.  The experience may be different at an Islamic
shelter from the one at a Christian shelter, however structurally the
religious experiences at both shelters are identical.  Jason, I do not see
how you are not able to grasp this point.  I think it is not due to a lack
of intelligence, but to a lack of logical thought, so if you will try to
use reason instead of rationalization I am sure your views will alter.  I
concede, though, that the latter step is a rather difficult one for an
indoctrinated person.

David Korn

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