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At 01:27 PM 6/10/99 -0500, you wrote:

>At 01:01 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:

>>At 12:37 AM 6/10/99 -0500, you wrote:

>>>Till,

>>>I think that you are not angry with Jesus, but your specific faith. I spent

>>12 years living out of doors, being publicly abused and humiliated by those

>>who thought that they knew what they were doing. If it weren't for my love

>>of God, I would either be dead, or in prison.

>>>I do hope that you shall come to terms with the anger that is obviously

>in you.

>>>MDH

>>

>>TILL

>>I don't conduct private correspondence, so I am posting this on an internet

>>list.  

>>

>>Your experience proves nothing.  There are people whose lives have been

>>dramatically changed by adopting belief in Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism,

>>Scientology, New Age-ism, etc., etc., etc. 

>

>Jason:

>

>What do you mean "it proves nothing"? If God, that is Jesus Christ, is a

>personal God and He acts on a personal level, as well as public then yes it

>does. It might not prove it to *you* specifically because it's not your

>experience, but it does prove that God (if existing...) does work in

>individual lives.

>


TILL
Well, gee, Jason, if Allah or Vishnu work on personal levels as well as
public, then I suppose that proves that they exist too.  It might not prove
it to *you* specifically because it's not your experience, but it does prove
that Allah and Vishnu (if existing.....  Oh, yes, there's the flaw in your
reasoning: IF EXISTING.  On another list today, I had to repost the proverb
that I learned in France as a missionary: "If my aunt had balls, she
wouldn't be my aunt."  Do you get my point?


>Till

>

>>You suggest that you were

>>homeless for 12 years, so I would suspect that your conversion resulted from

>>experiences that you had at homeless shelters maintained by Christian

>>organizations.  Your conversion very likely resulted from an emotional

>>feeling of gratitude, but had you had experiences with shelters maintained

>>by Islamic organizations, you would now be praising Allah for saving your

>>life and keeping you out of prison. 

>

>Jason:

>

>How do you connect the two? Are you saying that shelter organizations that

>are run by Muslims are run exactly like those Christian organizations? What

>makes you think that the experiences at those organizations would be

>identical to the ones in the Christian organizations?

>


TILL
No, I'm saying that a person who is in desperate straits, as a homeless
person would be, would naturally feel a deep sense of gratitude to an
organization that provided him with shelter and food during his time of
need.  If this is a shelter run by Christians the emotions that he feels
toward those who help him would exert an influence on him to accept the
principles that the organization stands for.  If the shelter were run by
Muslims or Hindus or Scientologists, the effect would be the same.

Is this so hard to see?

Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net

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