A comment

Shawn T Bellon errancy@infidels.org
Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:09:34 -0500 (00929088574, 19990610.221055.-482735.11.sbellon@juno.com) 


On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:39:20 -0700 "Brian Malcolm" <brianm1@home.com>
writes:

> Jason:

> Redone: What do you mean "it proves nothing"? God, that is Jesus 

> Christ, is

> a

> personal God and He acts on a personal level, as well as public. It 

> might

> not prove it to *you* specifically because it's not your

> experience, but it does prove that God does work in

> individual lives.

> 

> POOBAH

> Fallacy of special pleading. Jason would not accept such arguments 

> for

> Allah, Vishnu, et. al.


STB
Would you accept them Poobah?  I venture not.  So you and Jason agree on
that.
 

> Jason:

> 

> Is murder subjective? Is rape subjective? Those are personal 

> experiences to.

> Using the logic you've used, i could say that love doesn't exist. I 

> could

> say that depression doesn't exist. I could say that fear doesn't 

> exist.

> Those are personal experiences to.

> 

> POOBAH

> Fallacy of false analogy. Murder/rape/love/depression, or the 

> effects

> thereof, can all be objectively witnessed. Jason's personal god, on 

> the

> other hand cannot.


STB
What if someone experienced an encounter?  Say a miracle?  What if I told
you I had a degenerative disease in my bones and was healed?  And the
bone actually shrank back in its place.  That was observable by numerous
family, friends and doctors.  I prayed that God would heal me.  Why me? 
Don't know.  But he did. 

I believe that creation is another way of seeing God, or at least His
works.  I just can't believe it happened by chance.  It's far too
perfect.
 

> 	Jason:

> 

> Do you believe in moral absolutes? If you don't and think that it's

> relative, then you deny an absolute's defense. If you say that moral

> absolutes do not exist, it's a contradiction because that in itself 

> is an

> absolute. Morality is personal experience to. Does that mean it's 

> limited

> to one person?

> 

> POOBAH

> Fallacy of affirmation of the consequence. While it is true that if 

> nothing

> is absolute then morals are not absolute, it does not follow that if 

> morals

> are not absolute then nothing is.


STB
What are some examples of absolute truth?
 

> Does anyone think that Jason will put forward even a single argument 

> that

> doesn't contain one or more logical fallacies? I'll wager that he is

> incapable of doing so.


STB
He is doing ok  :-)  But I am biased.

Shawn T. Be'llon   <><   
Faith In Yahweh, Inc
Col. 3:12-14