Miracles

Brian Malcolm errancy@infidels.org
Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:19:25 -0700 (00929132365, NABBKAPJPFCPHHCMJOKNMELDPAAA.brianm1@home.com)



> POOBAH
> Just because an event is not explainable in medical terms doesn't
> mean it is
> miraculous. There are many examples of spontaneous remission of
> these types
> of disorders in medical lore. I have no idea why it occurs. Neither
> do you.
STB An interesting admission. What you don't know about you say must STILL not be a God. But you still don't know that. And you can't prove that He doesn't happen and miracles don't exist. You rationalize miracles away but they happen and by Someone. POOBAH Now we see why you think Jason does so well. You are no more capable of logical thought than he is. I don't have to prove that "Goddidntdoit" this is the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof. If you assert that event x is a miracle caused by Jehovah, then it is your responsibility to demonstrate it, not mine for withholding provisional acceptance. Further, as has been pointed out to you at least once by Till, atheism is not refusal to believe, it is simply the statement that the individual in question has seen no convincing evidence for the existence of God. It is the same position you apply to flying Dutchmen, invisible pink unicorns, and fisrerbules. Besides snipping every other point in the post, you also snipped the following text from the very point you are responding to: POOBAH (past) The problem again, of course, is that this still in all likelihood results in an argument of special pleading. If a Hindu holy man causes a miraculous cure, would that convince you of the existence of Vishnu? I am afraid if I accept the criteria you provide, I am left accepting any & all religions, since "miracles" seem part & parcel of just about all of them. As the saying goes, that which proves too much proves nothing. I've read recently about more than one young child in India who recalls a past life in eerie detail; does this prove to you the existence of reincarnation? Why or why not? While Christians see the face of Jesus in clouds, tortillas, on billboards and in varnish, Muslims see the name of Allah in pomegranates and on sneakers. What am I left to conclude? POOBAH Why don't you answer the questions above, Shawn? Your snipping makes you look dishonest. Shall I assume your not dealing with any of the other points I made is a sneaky tacit admission that you cannot refute my arguments showing that Jason has done nothing more than engage in logical fallacies? Since you've changed the heading to miracles, in order to bring this back to on-topic, why don't you pick a biblical miracle and show us evidence that it actually happened. The Flood? Talking donkey perhaps? Any miracle at all?